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Great !
(but i dont know what 'bootstrap' means) 
Please give us information when/where see and test your work !
(I'm tired of going to my clients for assistance !!)
Ciao
I tried to look the bootstrap site and tried also to download and install somethings and do somethings, but i don't get any idea of what i have to do !
So, it is better i wait your indication when you end the job for us !
Ciao Antò
Dear Antonio,
>Not all users want to use CGIs
Does a user of the webpage know if there are CGIs used.
Thanks in advance
Otto
Otto wrote:Dear Antonio,
>Not all users want to use CGIs
Does a user of the webpage know if there are CGIs used.
Thanks in advance
Otto
No, but CGI EXEs are less supported today. Specifically, most of the providers don't support them.
EMG
Mi experiencia:
Tengo una WebApp en Java. Sí he dicho Java.
Antes, la misma la tuve en PHP en un Shared Hosting (así creo que le llaman)
Abandoné el PHP por farragoso: la aplicación ya bastante desarrollada. Luego me pasé al Java. Y para el Java, no me lo tomaban en un Shared Hosting, así que tuve que montar (mandar montar) un VPS para ejecutar la WebApp de Java. Descubrí que es MUY habitual que las webapp se ejecuten en un VPS, amén de que los shared hosting dan muchos problemas: gestion de la base de datos, version del PHP, tráfico, etc, etc... Al final una buena configuracion de shared hosting se acerca peligrosamente al precio de un VPS.
Así que no veo inconveniente alguno en montar un VPS y correr un .EXE ¿ Donde está el problema ? ¿ Acaso no es PHP un .EXE tambien ?
Merece la pena tener un VPS con acceso total.
hmpaquito wrote:Así que no veo inconveniente alguno en montar un VPS y correr un .EXE ¿ Donde está el problema ?
And what if you have to install your webapp on the customer company website (most likely here)?
hmpaquito wrote:¿ Acaso no es PHP un .EXE tambien ?
No, PHP is a text script.
EMG
Enrico Maria Giordano wrote:hmpaquito wrote:Así que no veo inconveniente alguno en montar un VPS y correr un .EXE ¿ Donde está el problema ?
And what if you have to install your webapp on the customer company website (most likely here)?
Quizá la customer company tiene montado un VPS. O quizá no, pero quiza tampoco tiene PHP ejecutandose y no desean instalarlo. Son miles las circunstancias.
hmpaquito wrote:¿ Acaso no es PHP un .EXE tambien ?
No, PHP is a text script.
PHP es un intérprete que en Windows se ejecuta invocando a php.exe, así que es un ..exe, sólo que comunmente admitido:
"Unix/Windows: He instalado PHP, pero cuando intento acceder a un fichero de script de PHP a través de mi navegador, obtengo un error 500 del servidor.
Algo falló cuando el servidor intentó ejecutar PHP. Para obtener un mensaje de error detallado desde la línea de comandos, vaya al directorio que tiene el ejecutable de PHP (php.exe en Windows) y ejecute php -i. Si PHP tiene problemas al ejecutarse, el correspondiente error será mostrado en pantalla proporcionando una pista sobre lo que debe hacer a continuación. Si obtiene una pantalla completa de código HTML (la salida de la función phpinfo()) es porque PHP está funcionando, y su problema puede estar relacionado con la configuración del servidor, la cual debería de volver a revisar."
Yo sólo digo que al infierno WebApp o nos acercamos con herramientas que nos ayuden o las WebApp se convierten en torturas, casi imposibles de mantener... y de cobrar, por los altos costes que exigen su creacion y mantenimiento.
hmpaquito wrote:Quizá la customer company tiene montado un VPS. O quizá no, pero quiza tampoco tiene PHP ejecutandose y no desean instalarlo. Son miles las circunstancias.
The most likely scenario is that the customer don't want to allow EXEs on its server but support PHP, ASP and other script engines.
hmpaquito wrote:PHP es un intérprete que en Windows se ejecuta invocando a php.exe, así que es un ..exe, sólo que comunmente admitido:
Exactly. You can run PHP scripts on almost 100% of servers.
EMG
The most likely scenario is that the customer don't want to allow EXEs on its server but support PHP, ASP and other script engines.
Eso solo es una suposicion. En mi caso, yo tengo un VPS en Germany, y a mi cliente le da igual que esté en su servidor como que no, y en todo caso si pusiera inconvenientes, instalaría el server MySql en su ordenador, pero la web funcionaria en mi VPS.
En todo caso, si en el ordenador del cliente, no te autoriza a poner el .exe ¿ qué clase de cliente es ese ? Sí, es un cliente que pone inconvenientes. Mejor no atenderlo y que busque otro programador.
Y en, nuevamente, todo caso, cuando al cliente le pasen presupuestos millonarios por una webapp y tenga que decidir entre aquella o la que le proponemos nosotros basada en FiveWeb ¿ Qué decidirá ?
Exactly. You can run PHP scripts on almost 100% of servers
Creo que ya lo dije, no estoy seguro: Cuando usé PHP tuve muchos problemas con shared hosting: versiones, accesos, confidencialidad del codigo (ocultacion del codigo), etc, etc.
Enrico Maria Giordano wrote:Otto wrote:Dear Antonio,
>Not all users want to use CGIs
Does a user of the webpage know if there are CGIs used.
Thanks in advance
Otto
No, but CGI EXEs are less supported today. Specifically, most of the providers don't support them.
EMG
both Bluehost and Dreamhost support them. Not sure about others.
Estimados,
Que PHP no es de color de rosa:
Tiene el codigo totalmente expuesto, es decir, les tienes que entregar los fuentes. Como eso un programador no lo quiere, entonces algunas empresas han inventado ofuscadores de codigo PHP, luego esos ofuscadores, los shared hosting no tienen la version apropiada del ofuscador, o no tienen la version de PHP que tu necesitas porque es mas moderna. Por supuesto, ni que decir tiene que supongo que el ofuscador consume ciclos de proceso, etc, etc...
¿ Quien dijo que CGI .exe es malo ? Pero si ya viene "ofuscado" y es superrapido.
Amazon tiene un servicio de VPS.
Hello,
>Does a user of the webpage know if there are CGIs used.
Enrico answered no. So I think I am fine with a FW web application.
Is there a fiveweb webpage online to test and see the behavior?
Thanks in advance
Otto
Hi,
I do not think it is "farragoso", quite the opposite. PHP I think is very versatile and allows you to quickly to create programs, and find it in the majority of hostings resellers in the world as well as in clients. Another issue is the way you use and structure the code.
Yes I agree
. It's just a matter of resources (and money) ...
I'm agree also with Enrico. What do u say to customer ? You can't force your customer to change his technology. In any case it is a question of line of business of you.
I don't understand
. What do you mean ? Do you think you can not make real management programs? What is the real problem ?
Yes it's true. This for me is a topic of discussion. There are many people who are critic with obfuscators but I like to have my program kernel closed and that is why I use obfuscator and it works perfectly.
To create a web application many topics have to be considered, it's not really easy. Miracle products I do not think they exist, at final one has to know to program a little bit of language: php, java, html, css, javascript, ... if one wants to do something more than a "hello world". I think that "php" is a very easy tool to assimilate and that will help us in achieving the objectives that we want on the web and that for people who come from structured programming environments like C, Harbour, ... this will help them to understand more easily. Evidently "by nose" (por narices ) to assimilate a little of this technology, if you want to have success in your applications.
I know that the "jump" to the web is a very important topic for many people who are here, and we will discuss more and more about it.
hmpaquito wrote:Abandoné el PHP por farragoso:
I do not think it is "farragoso", quite the opposite. PHP I think is very versatile and allows you to quickly to create programs, and find it in the majority of hostings resellers in the world as well as in clients. Another issue is the way you use and structure the code.
hmpaquito wrote:Merece la pena tener un VPS con acceso total.
Yes I agree
. It's just a matter of resources (and money) ...Enrico Maria Giordano wrote:And what if you have to install your webapp on the customer company website (most likely here)?
I'm agree also with Enrico. What do u say to customer ? You can't force your customer to change his technology. In any case it is a question of line of business of you.
hmpaquito wrote:Que PHP no es de color de rosa:
I don't understand
. What do you mean ? Do you think you can not make real management programs? What is the real problem ?hmpaquito wrote:Tiene el codigo totalmente expuesto
Yes it's true. This for me is a topic of discussion. There are many people who are critic with obfuscators but I like to have my program kernel closed and that is why I use obfuscator and it works perfectly.
To create a web application many topics have to be considered, it's not really easy. Miracle products I do not think they exist, at final one has to know to program a little bit of language: php, java, html, css, javascript, ... if one wants to do something more than a "hello world". I think that "php" is a very easy tool to assimilate and that will help us in achieving the objectives that we want on the web and that for people who come from structured programming environments like C, Harbour, ... this will help them to understand more easily. Evidently "by nose" (por narices
) to assimilate a little of this technology, if you want to have success in your applications.I know that the "jump" to the web is a very important topic for many people who are here, and we will discuss more and more about it.
Salutacions, saludos, regards
"...programar es fácil, hacer programas es difícil..."
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"...programar es fácil, hacer programas es difícil..."
UT Page -> https://carles9000.github.io/
Forum UT -> https://discord.gg/bq8a9yGMWh
HIX -> https://github.com/carles9000/hix