Antonio, of course it is good, I for example, I am dedicating my time to learn Azure, TFS, ALM, virtualization, among other things used by large companies, preferably from the list of fortune 500 or 100.
showme the Money in Android and I go to it.
Regards
Norberto,
>Visual Studio 2013 with TFS, will dramatically reduce development time
I don't belief this. This is only marketing.
In 2007 - when I got no support for Ribbonbar - I left Fivewin and converted my programs to VB6. What a waste of time. Some years later support for VB6 was stopped. Then I converted to VB.NET. At the end I had minimum 40 third party tools which provided every half a year 80 or more new functions. No one can handle so much new stuff.
Productivity was not really good. Therefore I came back and I am happy to be here again.
And with all those tools you didn’t had better results as you have with xBrowse and the other fine things Fivewin offers.
For a single developer VS this is not the right tool maybe for a team it is fine: one team is responsible for the installation of the software, etc.
As you perhaps noticed there are programmers who start now with ribbonbar – 6 years later – and are still in business.
Sure I would wish myself more help for the METRO style controls but you need much time only to find out and find a personal METRO style for yourself. In this stage it is not so important if the controls work really error free. It is more designing than programming.
As I am 100% sure that WINDOWS 8 – METRO style is the future of Software design and the state of the art in the next years I know that these are necessary sidesteps but at the end also FIVEWIN will focus on WINDOWS 8 – metro style again.
You see WINDOWS 8 publicity everywhere – in every newspaper, on TV. Every new device is shown with the WINDOWS 8 start screen.
As Office – we once switched to open office but our customers didn’t like it – is the standard in every office you must have a windows device. Here the employees are afraid that if you don’t give them Office that in case they have to search a new workplace and they are not experienced with Office don’t find a new work.
As Office 386 is such a fine tool and makes a WINDOWS phone so helpful also PHONE 8 will lead the business phones soon.
Office and therefore WINDOWS is a must have for every business.
Best regards,
Otto
PS: today is full moon. So don’t take every comment as serious as on other days. 
Otto wrote:Norberto,
>Visual Studio 2013 with TFS, will dramatically reduce development time
I don't belief this. This is only marketing.
Antonio Linares wrote:Otto,
More and more US states are migrating to google docs mainly because it is much cheaper than Office and automatically solves work in team, cloud support, etc
http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com.es/2010/10/going-google-across-50-states-north.html
Estimados Amigos.
La aplicacion corre perfectamente Samsum S3
The application runs perfectly Samsun S3
Otto,
More and more US states are migrating to google docs mainly because it is much cheaper than Office and automatically solves work in team, cloud support, etc
http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com.es ... north.html
regards, saludos
Antonio Linares
http://www.fivetechsoft.com
Samsung Galaxy Note 2, Android 4.1.1. Runs perfectly
Samsung Galaxy S II, Android 4.0.4.
Runs perfectly
Regards
Otto,
I understand your feelings about Visual Studio. However, that was six years ago and nothing stays the same. It is a significantly improved product now, and generally far easier to use.
I'd like you to take a look at a product called Lightswitch in Visual Studio 2012. It builds applications for Windows Desktop ! It is very easy to use, is VERY powerful, and it does not use the ribbon bar. I have attended many training session with Microsoft in the past 18 months, and I never see anything about the Ribbon Bar. It is just not an issue at Microsoft.
Also, the "Metro" style is for specific types of applications. These are generally utility apps like readers, and information viewers ( weather, stocks, read books, etc. ) There is absolutely no push from Microsoft to eliminate Desktop apps. If you look at all of the new Desktops, Notebooks, Tablets coming from various vendors, they use the FULL version of Windows 8 which provides the Desktop. In the Microsoft Store, the ONLY tablet running only RT is the Surface RT. There are many for sale, and they all use Windows 8 ( that's a full version, not just an RT version ).
I do know that many of the articles written about "trends" in the U.S. are not properly researched. A lot is posted that is opinion, being offered as fact. I see reviews about Windows 8 written by people who have never used it. They just write about the opinions they heard from others as if they are fact. They are far from the truth.
Has no one read about the EU going after Google for its privacy policies ? In the U.S., consumers like free things. They don't understand there is a cost to everything. They use Google Docs because it is free, then they get very upset when they find out everything they put up there is now in the public domain and not private ! EVERYTHING ... and the same goes for Gmail. Google makes their money selling your information, and they make that very clear in their privacy policy. Not only is it your information you put out for everyone to see, but that of everyone you communicate with through these media. Most businesses that intend to be around in 10 years stick with Office because of all it can do. They have no intention of switching.
Antonio posted about using FWH inside Visual Studio. I have not done that yet but I will. I think it is a good idea.
Personally, I do not have anyone on Terminal Services. The trend today is toward Cloud services. Office 365 is a cloud based system now but it also retains a local copy of all data and the client software. The local copies allow you to work even if you don't have a net connection. This would be great for our software. I'd love to see development in that arena. I'm still asking how you will get the data to our different devices if you build apps in Android. I have not received an answer yet. Isn't that the first question? Saying Hello World means nothing. The key is working with data, and where is that coming from ?
Antonio,
I have been using the older xHarbour (.com) because they essentially were not doing any work on that product since my Aug 2010 Release Build. All of their work was being done on Visual xHarbour. That version has been stable, and has worked until 13.05. Then you added changes which broke it ! Newer libs are not available through the Free xHarbour that you are using. Those are only for Borland which is not part of the .com release. The 13.05 build you posted for Harbour and MSVC, and which I downloaded, still required several modifications to source files which I now link in. However, I am still testing. I can't switch over to use it for production and release to my clients because I can't risk having significant problems.
For example, I have clients on ADS 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11. My xHarbour build has drivers that work fine with all of those versions. However, my Harbour version only works with ADS 9, 10, or 11. It errors out with 7 & 8, but many of my clients have those and don't want to pay to upgrade ( its full price now ).
Tim
Tim,
Our changes didn't break it. We use the most recent free xharbour code and changes and your xhb.com was not updated with the free xHarbour version.
Its not your fault, but neither ours. We can't support older versions of Harbour and xHarbour, that would be a total mess
Anyhow I have provided you workarounds (one of this workarounds hb_parns() was wrong and made your app unestable) and solutions to keep using your older xhb.com as much as possible
Antonio,
Free xHarbour is ONLY for the two versions that are not included in the .com package. They do not release the libraries for the Pelles C compiler. In the past you have always remained compatible with the .com version. If you look at the FREE xharbour site, you will see that the version I have is their latest for the Pelles C compiler.
In the past, when you have gone beyond that version with new features, you have provided some functions that fix the problem. There is no guarantee that if I upgraded to the latest xHarbour.com version your current release would work.
At this point it would appear I am stuck at 13.04 for xHarbour development, and will not be able to take advantage of any of the new features you add this year until I can resolve the Harbour/ADS problem and be sure all other capabilities are fully functional in the MSVC builds.
Tim
